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#1 OFFLINE   StevieNZ

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 10:19 PM

Hi everyone

Hope this is ok to put on here

My best friend from NZ is fundraising to go to Kenya to volunteer in a medical centre for 6 weeks next year. She is a paramedic and wants to do some good with her training :)

Her and a workmate are going and have to raise $12K so they are coming up with all sorts of ideas but the one I was most interested in was the Entertainment Book (only available through charities, schools and fundraisers etc)

They are $55 AUD each and you can get them for Tasmania and other places in Australia.

I am getting one since I will be new to Tassie and having 2 for 1 and % off discounts for us will be fantastic - means we can see more places and try more restaurants.

I know this is a forum and no - one really knows me but if you are interested in one please get in touch. I am trying to help them out by getting their cause out there.

Check out www.entertainmentbook.com.au to search the available deals for each book and places.

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#2 OFFLINE   Cascade

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Posted 16 April 2010 - 07:36 AM

Hi Steph & Hamish,

I applaud your friend and her workmate for what they are trying to achieve in raising the 12K, I would like to think all of it was going to the medical centre but I guess it is more likely funding themselves for travel and living expenses in the process of providing voluntary expertise in their field, they need to be aware there may be other catches to selling these books in Australia or New Zealand. The main one being GST. If the person selling is not an acceptable charity or organisation under Aus Tax laws then I believe they are liable to pay GST or certainly Income Tax on commisions earned from the sale of the books this being 20% of the books sale price. Personally, I would have sought advice from the Tax Office before starting. It would be a pity to raise 12K and then have to pay the Taxman 3K
In regard to GST the following is from Aus Tax Rules, New Zealand may have similar rules.

Agency sales

You are making an agency sale when you sell consigned goods on behalf of the owner of the goods as their agent. Under these circumstances, you are not liable to pay GST to us on the sale; however, you must pay GST to us on the commission you receive.

The owner of the goods is liable to pay GST on the sale if both of the following apply:

  • they are registered for GST
  • they make the sale in the course of running their business.
If the owner is not registered for GST or is not selling the goods in the course of running a business and you are registered for GST, you must still pay GST to us on the commission you receive but the owner does not have to pay GST to us on the sale.

It is likely you are making sales as an agent if any of the following apply:

  • You do not set the sale price of the goods.
  • You receive either a flat rate or percentage commission on completion of the sale.
  • You do not hold the goods out in your own right.
  • You and the owner of the goods agree that you will act as an agent.
Having possibly bored you so far. I am aware your friends are trying all types of fundraising, but for example if one was to endevour raising 12K from the sale of these books they would need to sell 1200 books with a 20% return of $11.00 per book bearing in mind 10% would be payable as GST or whatever percentage would be required to be payed in tax under taxable income rates, possibly 3K as allready mentioned. Also they would be liable for postage of the books to purchasers and any other hidden costs. The purchaser has to register their book before being able to use it. If they achieve this figure they would in turn raise a handsome profit of $52,800.00 for the suppliers of the Entertainment Book, less their production and distribution to agent costs.

I spent almost an hour early this morning looking at the website for the Entertainment Book. For me, it would have very limited use as it would cost me more money than what I would save in travel costs alone. I'm semi self suffiecient, I bake my own bread and I don't eat "junk food" and quality food outlets are very limited where I live. Many people in the closest major town, which is 20klm away, would not eat at two of the ones that are listed for the same reason I don't and that is because the food quality is questionable. A lot of the other offers are somewhat superficial, I don't need a mousemat or a mug with a photo on it from Stallards or a $100.00 Gift Voucher from Coles. Another catch to look out for, be aware the books are time limited.

Having said all that and pulled it to pieces....... for a couple or a family of four traveling our Island State or any other for that matter, savings, on fast food and admissions to touristy activities, would far outweigh the purchase price and would be returned many times over if used to the full and you should have already budgeted for traveling costs anyway. Once again I wish your friends every success in their endevour and applaud you for trying to help them achieve it.


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#3 OFFLINE   Mystic

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Posted 16 April 2010 - 11:03 AM

Best of luck to your friend as well, with a noble aim. Will leave the post in place, though I am not really comfortable with promoting the business, (more on why in a minute). As for the usefulness of this book...if you are planning on spending a lot of time, or live in Hobart, then this could be of use. Just did a quick scan on all the offers available in the Tasmanian book, and all 95 of them are in and around Hobart. Seems like the company has not really gone to much effort to put this together.

Now, as to why I am uncomfortable with the company being promoted. I have been involved in many and varied industries in my time, and one of them was running a very similar business to this one, so I am very familiar with how this system works. The businesses making the offers generally pay the promoter (the book creator & marketer) nothing, but they are required to honour any "coupons" brought in. The promoter covers the cost of printing and marketing (not that great a cost in a reasonable sized organisation that would have its own in house printing facility). They pay the salesperson a commission and keep the remaining profits (much more than the person selling is making).

There is a warning that people should be aware of with books being marketed in this manner. When we used to do it, we would hit medium sized rural towns, organise a range of businesses to take part in the promotion, then market solidly via telemarketing for a period of two weeks, selling as many books as possible before moving on. Generally we found no problems with a business giving new clients the discounts or deals promised. Many would get upset that they would find people who had been clients of theirs previously using the vouchers and so could, at times, refuse to accept any further vouchers. This resulted in the person who sold the book getting the fallout, and a range of negative publicity. With this kind of book, where one has no idea how much time has passed since the original business agreed to participate and the books actually being sold, the businesses that have agreed to participate may no longer wish to honour the vouchers. People buying the books should be aware of such risks.

On the taxation side, Cascade is totally correct. Under the structure of this marketing method, the seller is a sub-contractor to the promoter, not directly employed. This means they will be liable for GST on the profit they make, (GST is calculate by dividing the profit by 11, so if the profit on each sale is $20, GST would be $1.82). They will also then be liable to pay income tax and must declare the earnings.

Your friend is raising funds to finance her own philanthropic gesture, not directly on behalf of a registered charity, so she will not receive any taxation benefits. Not sure how things work in NZ, but in Australia you would be better off incorporating yourself and applying to become a registered charity. It is not a difficult process as long as you follow the rules, and can be set up in a matter of weeks.
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Posted 16 April 2010 - 11:41 AM

I am a small business owner and sole proprietor so I can only back up what has been said before, tell your friend to be aware of all the pitfalls, I run a tool and cutter sharpening service, specialising in tungsten carbide resharpening/replacing as well as knives, scissors, drill bits, chisels, the list is endless, basically if it cuts anything anywhere then I repair, replace or resharpen it, I have been approached many times in my 25 years of business, not real happy with them, but thats another story, I wish your friend all the luck in the world to fulfill her dream and I really hope it is achieved!
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Posted 16 April 2010 - 02:23 PM

Mystic, Dave,

Hehe, I just had a chuckle and had to put this in.

If we keep this up were gonna get tagged as the 3 wise monkeys. I wanna be "Speak No Evil". Posted Image Posted ImagePosted Image


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Posted 16 April 2010 - 02:24 PM

ROFL Cascade, I definitely am not going to be "Do No Evil":blink:
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Posted 16 April 2010 - 02:47 PM

LOL! Cascade, I reckon I could just about be all three, half blind (see no evil), half deaf thanks to years of heavy machinery (hear no evil) getting too damn old to do much damage nowadays (do no evil), then mother reckons I mumble so that would be speak no evil, sorta wraps them all up I reckon, hang on thats four, oh "pickle me grandmother"!!!! I just added one to the classic three!
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Posted 16 April 2010 - 02:51 PM

Oops I added the fourth one in ROFL
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Posted 16 April 2010 - 02:54 PM

ROFL @ Mystic & Dave
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Posted 16 April 2010 - 06:22 PM

Hehe you "wise" guys crack me up lol

No I really appreciate the input - feel free to take the post down if you like I wasn't really sure if I was allowed to put it up.

I hadn't really thought that far into and they probably haven't either re taxation and the implications of any vouchers not being honoured.

I knew these were very popular in Perth and some parts of NZ so as you say I guess it depends on what areas have been thought of and how many options there are. I did find other parts not just Hobart but I had to change the search options - it seemed to default to Hobart.

I'm hoping that as they are in NZ they might go under the radar for tax/gst which they might not here in Aus since they are not a reg'd charity.
I'm glad they aren't relying on this for their main source of fundraising - as you said at those %'s they might not ever get there.

Thanks again and as I said feel free to remove - I don't want to cause any problems :) Posted Image I didn't think of it as promoting that business

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Posted 16 April 2010 - 06:35 PM

Actually Steph, with the info that has come as a result of your original request I am now very happy to leave this post here. It does highlight the kinds of things that people need to consider when undertaking or entering into these kinds of things.

If anyone here is thinking of similar fund raising, I have personally been through the process of registering a charity in Australia and would be happy to advise on the process. Going through the right steps can reduce many headaches indeed.

To help your friend out, and maybe you should PM me to clarify the actual situation here, is there a link we can promote to possibly direct donations to the cause?
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Posted 17 October 2010 - 01:22 PM

Hi people,

Does anyone of you guys have an extra tasmanian entertainment book? I might be planning a trip down there and the vouchers in the book might come in handy. Will only be there for 4 days in Hobart.

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#13 OFFLINE   Shane V

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Posted 17 October 2010 - 10:23 PM

Sorry Hock...I haven't got one and am not sure where you could pick one up.




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